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Sunday, July 12, 2009

John Tuttle

Another person from the McDonald's group is John Tuttle who's physical description was best described by Washington Irving's description of Ichabod Crane. John is seventy-six and served in the Korean war on the USS Oriskany, an aircraft carrier, and learned the trade of Lithography. He is now a retired preacher from the Evangelical Church here in Green Cove Springs. He graduated from High School and has been studying the Bible ever since. He says while he was in the Navy he did many things of which he is not proud, even smoked and drank, and when he got out he came to his senses and lived a righteous life. When I first met John, it was easy, after he said something, to make funny comments that made others laugh. At the time he would merely give a tight lipped smile and ignore the laughter. As we discuss the events of the day, he is fond of telling us what is in the Bible and where the vast majority of people are going wrong. At these times he quotes "Revelations" and says we are in the "end times". He says it is all there if we will just take the time to read it. One day I asked him: What is your most favorite book in the Bible? I had expected him to say Revelations but he surprised me when he said Matthew. I asked why, and he said: "Everything Christ wanted to pass to us on is in that book." During a discussion he happened to say: "You Catholics believe that you are the only ones that are going to heaven." There were three of us Catholics in the group at the time and I quickly called for a vote on who believed that. One Catholic, Bert, said he believed it and I was surprised by that. Bert said he heard it all the time at Church. I asked Bert if he understood what was meant by the doctrine "Body of Christ" and he said he never heard the term. John had that big wide grin on his face as if he had proved Catholics believed they were the only ones who will get to heaven. John had a stroke a while back and now has one leg that is frozen stiff, yielding a walk like a man on a wooden leg. He says he gets up eight times a night to pee. I told him he should be taking a drug to shrink his prostate and he answered that he was taking one for it. He is a gentle person and exudes wisdom and authority in his conversation. It disturbs him that there are so many people that do not want to work because he is convinced that God gave man work to aid in his salvation. He does laugh along with us and is not upset when he is the butt of a joke.

8 Comments:

  • They all need to find a book on, Religion For Dummies.

    Pat

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:03 PM  

  • When I was young (elementary school young) and Catholic I believed there were two religions: Catholics that were going to heaven and Protestants who were not. If you did not belong to one of these religions you were a heathen. I never quite got the idea of the heathen babies in limbo. Even at that age it seemed very silly to me.

    As I grew up and learned more it was still obvious that Catholics were the only ones going to heaven (at least in straight line) since we were the only ones that observed all of the sacraments. Others took communion but since they did not believe in transubstantiation it was not "real" it was merely symbolic.

    As an adult I learned about "non-Christian" religions and was fascinated. I was also shocked to learn that many Protestant groups did not consider Catholics to be Christian. Of course, by that point I didn't care, but still it was a shock.

    Religion for Dummies made me laugh since there would have to be hundreds of versions. Each one sure it was the RIGHT one.

    By Blogger EZ Travel, at 5:44 AM  

  • This is interesting to me, because no one teaches the idea that Catholics are the only ones that get into Heaven. When I was in grade school and high school, we were told that no one is guaranteed Heaven. This is funny because there are several Baptist and Evangelical churches in this area that believe that their members are the only ones getting into Heaven, and that Catholics are going to Hell. Who are we to decide this???

    In response to Erika's comment about the sacraments, we were taught that Catholics are the best Christians because we observe all the sacraments. However, we were also taught about Ecumenism (relationships with other non-Catholic Christians) and other non-Christian religions. The Catholic Church might teach supremacy among the world religions (and honestly, which religion doesn't teach its own supremacy???), but also teaches that all people of all religions can get into Heaven. Of course, no human being has the authority or insight to decide who is going to Heaven and who isn't.

    By Blogger Sean M., at 10:40 AM  

  • Congratulations Sean, you have the correct answer. Of course, there are many Catholics that are unaware of the doctrine of "The Mystical Body of Christ" and very few Protestants that know about it. As you said at the end, none of us can know who will actually get into Heaven.

    By Blogger Marcel, at 5:18 PM  

  • I can. We're all going to heaven. Think about it--in real estate you never want to have a lot of vacancies. The Universe is vast. Heaven by its' very definition must be larger. So far we haven't found any other life in space, which means that even though we might be a little cramped at times here on earth--we have so much space in the Universe and so heaven must still have plenty of room, especially since we shed our earthly dust. Jesus' Love thy neighbor was the equivilant of you are going to be spending a lot of time with them, so you might as well make the best of it.

    By the way, Hell is a fairy tale to get children to eat their vegetables. Am I the only one who had nice nuns teaching me in school?

    By Blogger KathrynVH, at 10:29 AM  

  • Kathy,
    Very interesting concept, "everybody is going." I have never heard that before. Are there none that you would not like to see there.

    Sister Alphonse, the Mother Superior, was fearsome to me. She was the one that was runored to have a strap for the disobedient. I always obeyed.

    By Blogger Marcel, at 6:59 PM  

  • Kathy,
    This morning I told John about yur concept of heaven as being large enough for everybody to get in. His immediate response was: "If heaven is that large, hell may even be larger."

    By Blogger Marcel, at 2:46 PM  

  • By Blogger Dalia Alaa, at 10:55 AM  

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