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Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Evil

In the "Lord's Prayer" there are four petitions made to God, one of them is: "deliver us from evil". Do we really know for what we are asking? I believe the Muslim hijackers that flew the planes on 9/11 were evil. Further, the person that was late for the flight, and because of being late, did not die in the crash was delivered from evil. If that person had prayed that day, "deliver us from evil", then that persons prayer was answered.

Those pilots were evil for what they did. Is there some way we can identify a person that is evil? Do we always have to wait until the evil act is done?

We are trained to find the good in everybody and that can cause us to be insensitive to those that are truly evil. After all, not everybody is good. A Christan believes that he is capable of doing evil, that he is flawed, and must be constantly on guard to keep from trespassing on others. For the most part the christian is able to do this, but it is a struggle, and through prayer is able to thwart evil actions.

Can God be evil? Sad to say there is an instance in the Bible where God is actually quoted as saying he plans on doing an evil on some people. You may remember the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Was God justified?

Can Obama be evil? We know that he has designs on spreading the wealth of others. Some have even used the term "the evil rich" because the rich will not willingly give up their riches.

Can you be evil? Setting aside practical jokes, have you ever done an evil thing to somebody? If you did, did you enjoy doing it? Did you repent of such an action, or were you sorry you did it.

The Book of Job, in the Bible, is reported to be about evil. Yet it is God that brings him his sufferings. God is intentionally doing it so that he can show the Devil that Job is a good follower. Some scholars have maintained that The Book of Job is not a Hebrew book and does not belong in the Bible. Yet, there it is for our amazement and befuddlement.

Two men work side by side for ten minutes. One stops working while the other continues to work for a full eight hours. A buyer comes by and for $480.00 buys the whole lot that has been produced. How do you split the proceeds? If it is other than $10.00/$470.00, say $240.00/$240.00, or some other fraction other than the first, is there evil involved?

12 Comments:

  • I realize that we see almost everything from different sides, but I am really surprised that we have two totally different interpretations of The Lord's Prayer.

    To me Deliver Us From Evil was asking God to keep us from doing/being evil. Not to protect us from others that were evil.

    I do not believe that recognizing true evil is within my abilities. Evil is not an opinion it is a judgement of others, something I try really hard not to do.

    By Blogger Gretchen, at 6:26 PM  

  • Gretchen,

    I like your interpretation also, the idea that we are the delivers, like the mailman, bringing it to others.

    By Blogger Marcel, at 4:52 AM  

  • I've said those words a million times and have never really considered the meaning. I had to pause today to think about it. Thank you!
    Love
    Tracy

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:54 AM  

  • Evil is a relative term like "big" or "cold". Radical Muslims believe the 911 "pilots" are heroes and martyrs where most of the rest of the world considers them evil terrorists. Conversely, most Americans consider U.S. soldiers as heroes where radical Muslims consider them evil occupiers. Evil is in the eye of the beholder. So what do Christians consider evil? I think most Christians consider threats to life and liberty to be evil for example Nazi Germany or Pol Pot's Cambodia or serial killers.

    I agree with Marcel's original interpretation of "deliver us from evil". We are petitioning God to keep us from the evil others might impose on us.

    By Blogger John Beauregard, at 3:36 PM  

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    By Blogger David, at 12:52 PM  

  • I always thought of that phrase "but deliver us from evil" as meaning deliver us from Satan. I wonder about the previous phrase "lead us not into temptation". Does God lead us into temptation or is it that other guy, or do we do it to ourselves?

    By Blogger David, at 12:54 PM  

  • The surviving theater goers in Aurora CO were delivered from evil today. They stared into the face of evil and were spared.

    By Blogger John Beauregard, at 4:50 PM  

  • Their lives may have been spared, but they were certainly not. The trauma that will haunt their lives is something we can't even imagine.
    If you feel god saved them, explain that
    to the ones who did not survive.

    Za

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:18 PM  

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    By Blogger lin741852, at 8:16 PM  

  • Marty,

    Your comment, "The trauma that will haunt their lives" is something right out of Hollywood. The wounded Christians are likely to have said: "Thanks be to God I was saved." Many wonded war veterans said the same thing and then proceed to live their lives. Your version is about misery and despair. The Chrstian is about life and living it to the full. There is joy and happiness in life even after a disaster. Yes bad things happen and we try to learn lessons from them. But the idea that an emotonal scar is forever surfacing in a persons life and turns the life into perputual misery is accurate only in those that have not learned how to adjust and adapt. Nearly everyone I know has had something bad happpen to them and nearly all have continued to live a normal life.

    By Blogger Marcel, at 7:32 AM  

  • Grandpa Beauregard commissioned me to post the following comment after we had a chance to discuss this at our recent family get-together.

    When Jesus teaches us in Matthew 6:13 to pray, "Deliver us from evil," it seems easiest to understand his words as asking him to spare us from the type of evil that would do lasting (eternal) harm to our bodies and souls, evil that would separate us from him and his good will for us for all eternity.

    One of the difficulties that some have already touched on is to have the proper understanding of what is evil. Often there are things that we regard as evil, which God regards as good. When St Paul asked that his famous "thorn in the flesh" be removed (2 Corinthians 12:7-10), Jesus responded, "My grace [undeserved love] is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." What Paul probably originally regarded as evil, Jesus called good and beneficial for him, leading Paul to conclude: "That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong" (2 Corinthians 12:10).

    The Book of Job is a classic biblical example of the Lord permitting what we would term as "evil" for the ultimate good of his faithful follower, even as St Paul assures us that "in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called [eternally] according to his purpose" (Romans 8:28).

    Consider the greatest evil ever done: God's own Son nailed to a cross, "though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth" (Isaiah 53:9).

    Who was behind the unjust and evil crucifixion of God's own Son? Isaiah tell us: "Yet it was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer" (Isaiah 53:10). Why? So that Jesus could die for "the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2), that "whoever trusts in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16). Our God is so powerful that he even can (and purposefully chooses!) to use "evil" things for the ultimate and eternal good of his people.

    So on the basis of everything the Scriptures teach us, we must conclude that our prayer "Deliver us from evil" refers to that type of ultimate evil which would rob us of our trust in God and the eternal life that only he gives freely and graciously through his Son, Jesus.

    Pete (Tarren's husband)

    By Blogger Peter Prange, at 9:36 AM  

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